Improved Success in Women Over 38, and Repeat IVF Failure using Co-Culture

June 19, 2007 - Tuesday
7:28 PM to (EST)
Guest Speakers: David Kreiner, M.D.
East Coast Fertility

Categories
Acupuncture • Endometriosis • Fertility • Gestational Carrier • Insurance • International Adoption • IUI • IVF • Pregnancy • Pregnancy Loss

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Corey_Whelan	Hi everybody. I'm Corey Whelan, tonight's chat moderator and The AFA's Director of Development.
Corey_Whelan	in about ten minutes we'll be joined by David Kreiner, M.D., of East Coast Fertility on Long Island. ECF has offices in Nassau and in Suffolk.
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Corey_Whelan	Welcome all. Dr. Kreiner will be here pretty soon.
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Corey_Whelan	hang in there guys. I'm looking for Dr. Kreiner.
irene	::smile HELLO EVERY ONE
twingirls	Hey Irene!
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Gina	Hey
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lucia	Hi
jneencruz	hello
mary	hi
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lucia	I am 42 and had ivf done a month ago they retrieved 3 eggs 2 ferilized but they didnt implant
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lucia	any suggestions doc about age and embryo
twingirls	we're still waiting for the doc
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lucia	oh ok thanks
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Corey_Whelan	I'm really sorry guys, I'm still looking for Dr. K, calling his cell
Gina	np
lucia	i will be back
irene	Girl i have done 5 cycles and finally it worked last year but misscaried at 3 months :: ::excl s
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Gina	sorry Irene
twingirls	awww...sorry Irene !
mary	sorry to hear that.
moesbaby	sorry Irene
mary	i've done 4 cycles, no pregnancy, we're trying to figure out if i should try again
kaylalunaava	So sorry Irene. Do they know what went wrong?
Gina	are we talking IVF only or IUIs?
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twingirls	I've done 2 myself with bfn's - currently on the 3rd, trying a different protocol. You read so much and wonder if there really is a "best" or "right" way for you. ::wacko
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cathiedalton	i've done 7 iui's no pregnancy...we are about to give up
SMStoffa	what's bfn's. I'm new to this.
irene	On my 5th try i changed clinics maybe that s was it planning to try agian but doc says i am overwieght are any of you guys having this problem ::blink
cathiedalton	yes
Gina	I had 5 unsuccessful IUIs, moving on to IVF
twingirls	big fat negatives SM
moesbaby	Hang in there twingirls #3 was my sister-in-laws success....found out on Fathers day...how cool is that.
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Corey_Whelan	Dr. Kreiner? I think you are here!!!! Welcome!
twingirls	I am trying really hard to stay positive but its really tough !!
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kreiner	Yes I am here now
Corey_Whelan	Everyone, feel free to type your questions for Dr. Kreiner of East Coast Fertility. The chat will go until 9:15 p.m. est. tonight.
moesbaby	Hi Dr
kreiner	Hello how are you
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cathiedalton	hi dr
Corey_Whelan	We are happy you are here!
twingirls	Hi Dr Kreiner,
cathiedalton	i have had 7 unsuccessful iui
Corey_Whelan	guys, don't be shy. Please feel free to ask your questions about age and embryo quality - you're among friends
irene	HI DOC
cathiedalton	am overweight and 44 years old
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cathiedalton	last doc says fertility drugs did not work well,,,just work with cycle now.
cathiedalton	do you think i should try more
Corey_Whelan	cathie, can you give us some more info - what is your diagnosis?
cathiedalton	are my eggs too old?
cathiedalton	infertility.. anovulation
Corey_Whelan	and what is your fsh level
kreiner	What meds were you on and what was the cycle like?
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jneencruz	Hi, I am 34 yrs old, I tried 2 cycles of IVF 2 years ago. THe first cycle they retrieved 11 eggs, 10 were viable, only 2 fertilzed and none implanted. Second time, 16 eggs retrieved, 11 viable and only 3 were fertilized, none implanted. is there anything to help the quality of eggs or what would you do differently than a standard ivf cycle.
moesbaby	I am 42.5, highest FSH level of 17 lowest 5, no male factor, is co-culture a waste of time for us.
cathiedalton	i was on clomid for 2 months...follistum for 3...last one didn t ovulate till day 23
ujfdkmyl	I am 42 and did the clomid challenge test...day 3 was 7.5 and day 10 was 8.2 do you think I am a good canidate for ivf
cathiedalton	using 450 cc
twingirls	I am currently on my 3rd IVF cycle. I am 39 years old and have been undergoing fertility treatment for almost 2 years. Have had a fair number of eggs retrieved but not a whole lot fertilize normally. Have had karotype testing. Could I need a change in protocol?
cathiedalton	only had 3 eggs
mary	Hi Dr -- , We've tried ivf 4xs, last attempt transferred 4 "good" embryos, no pregancy. they tell me it's lack of protein in my utereus . . . any knowledge on this?
cathiedalton	in the last round
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irene	DOC DOES WEIGHT AND AGE AFFECT QUALITY. Iam on LUPRON and follistim and all i get is overwight problem can this be true i have seen women that are obese get pregnat
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Stacie	I have had 6 miscarriages... 2 natural pregnancies, 1 IUI, 3 IVF's. I am 34, FSH 12.3. I am considering moving to donor eggs using my sisters. Any other suggestions?
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SMStoffa	dr? I just turned 41 with problems starting 5 months ago. Very high FSH. Any help for me? I'm trying the chinese medicine approach and wellness. Back on regular cycles, but they're light. Could I have good eggs?
Gina	Corey did we lose Dr Kreiner?
Corey_Whelan	no, but he's having some pc problems.
Gina	oh ok
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cathiedalton	where is dr k office?
estelle61	I am 45 and doing my first IVF next month, two unsuccessful IUIs. Is there anything I should know that will help me? Also, my cycles are regular, and I have never had gyno problems. Its mainly a question of my age, however, my husband is in his thirties. Any tips?
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mary	try your hardest not to worry (maybe lots of prayer), eat well, rest, and leave it up to God.
Corey_Whelan	Hi Cathie, East Coast Fertility is on Long Island
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cathiedalton	do you know what town?
cathiedalton	i live on li
twingirls	Its really tough because I know a lot of people haven't gotten pregnant, like us, but then there are plenty of "older" women all around us who do !
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frances1	I am 45 and unfortunately had a hysterectomy. I have a gestational carrier. I tried IVF once, Bravelle and Menopu (highest dose). I had no response to the meds. I am going to try one more time. Any thoughts on another cycle possibly having a different outcome; ie, could I respond?
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kaylalunaava	Is it OK to use fertility blend while on stimulation?
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cathiedalton	this is odd. .my doc said ivf doesn't work well for women over 40 because eggs don't do well in dish? i t seems others have had it done
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mary	what is fertility blend?
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moesbaby	Cathiedalton her is his website www.kreinerivf.com
jneencruz	any word from the doctor yet
estelle61	RE IVF: I think it depends on the quality of the lab used. That's what m y doc told me.
JADE0199	do you have to be 38+ to join?
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cathiedalton	thank you
estelle61	Can this be rescheduled for another time, when the doc is available?
irene	Corey is the DR gone
Corey_Whelan	no Jade, you can be any age
JADE0199	dr is not available today? and thank you for answering my question.
Corey_Whelan	nuh uh, he's trying and yes, if this doesn't work out we will re-schedule the same chat very quickly
jneencruz	we keep asking questions but there is no one to answer them, rescheduling would be a good idea
Corey_Whelan	and I love your turquoise!
irene	::biggrin
estelle61	I am also interested in what fertility blend is.
Corey_Whelan	Give it a few minutes, please
jneencruz	is anyone else here from NJ
JADE0199	I am in Florida
Pahjawk	::blink
estelle61	Yes. I'm from NJ
geri	Yes, I am
twingirls	I am from CT
ujfdkmyl	I am in Fl also
jneencruz	what clinics have you used, estelle61
mary	i'm in atlanta
irene	I am from Amarillo TX
moesbaby	estelle61 go to www.fertilityblend.com I just ordered some yesterday
Corey_Whelan	I'm in Brooklyn NY, does everyone like my accent?
jneencruz	love it
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estelle61	I used Cornell Weill in NYC, but now I'm changing to RMA of New York, with monitoring in NJ. I felt the other place was a bit impersonal.
mary	luv it
twingirls	LOL Corey
moesbaby	good one Corey ::biggrin
JADE0199	Corey, I used to live in Brooklyn!
jneencruz	are you using the rma in englewood or morristown
Corey_Whelan	ok, I think he is logging off and logging back on, so lets give it a sec.
Corey_Whelan	where Jade? I'm in Kensington
JADE0199	oh good
estelle61	The one in Englewood. Do you know anything about it or the facility?
moesbaby	estelle61 what Dr. did you have that is where I am going for my first and only IVF
JADE0199	grew up in Bay Ridge
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twingirls	I have heard lots of good things about Cornell -just tough from CT ::sad
jneencruz	i do know someone who went to the one in englewood with excellent results, she is about to have baby number 2 through them and she had severe endrometriosis
Corey_Whelan	Howdy! I think that we should start again, slowly -
Corey_Whelan	Dr. Kreiner is back - Estelle, can you retype your first question, let's start there
jneencruz	my obgyn has recommended that i go there. i have yet to make an appointment with them, i am changing as well, but because i didn't get results and my insurance will only pay for so much
estelle61	My doc is based in the city, but I'm getting monitoring in NJ. The doc told me that they are higher rated than Cornell for women over 35, and that in h is opinion they have a better lab.Is your doc in NJ?
Corey_Whelan	ok, guys, since the doctor is back, let's limit our typing for awhile to questions for him
Corey_Whelan	please
Corey_Whelan	Estelle, do you want to start?
JADE0199	not sure where Kensington is?
JADE0199	I am uncertain as to exactly what this topic is? My email said DOES AGE EFFECT EMBRYO QUALITY? I have lots of questions re: age, FSH, IVF....etc
jneencruz	yes englewood as well
irene	Hello doc can you please explain how obesity and age can affect egg quality
Corey_Whelan	that's right Jade
twingirls	Dr Kreiner,
jneencruz	they recommended i see dr. sloey, i am unsure if the spelling is correct
estelle61	My question is I am 45 and having first IVF. I had two unsuccessful IUIs, but wanted to know if there are any tips I can get? I've had regular cycles, and good gyno health, plus my husband is in his 30s. Any tips?
Stacie	I have had six miscarriages over the last three years... two resulting from natural pregnancies, one from IUI, and three from IVF. My FSH is 12.3 and I am 34. We are considering moving on to donor eggs using my sister. Any other suggestions?
mary	i'm 40, 4ivf attempts, they tell me it's lack of protein in my uterus . . any ideas?
JADE0199	my question is how can FSH determine egg quality vs. egg reserve?
twingirls	I am 39 and on my 3rd IVF cycle. I have a fair number of eggs retrieved but not many fertilize (2 the 1st cycle and 3 the 2nd). I have had karotype testing due to a miscarriage (conceived naturally). Could this be an issue with the protocol that is being used?
geri	Is the dr still here?
jneencruz	i am 34, had two ivf cycles. the first retrieved 11 eggs, 10 viable, only 2 fertilized, none implanted. second cycle 16 retrieved, 11 viable, only 3 fertilized, none implanted. my question is there anything you would suggest doing differently from a normal ivf cycle?
Corey_Whelan	oh well. I'm giving it a few more minutes and then I think we have to cry uncle. Please don't worry, we will re-schedule this topic very soon. I'm sorry all. Ya win some, ya lose some
JADE0199	my FSH is 6.1 on Day 3. Am 36, 37 in 1m2w. Had 3 early m/c's and a chemical pg, all conceived naturally. Did 1 IVF cycle to do PGD, but cancelled PGD b/c we only had 4 embies on Day 2 that were all 2 cell.
estelle61	jneencruz: My doctor in the city is Dr. Mukjarghee (sp)
geri	What happened?
Corey_Whelan	It doesn't seem to be working out - technical issues for sure.
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Corey_Whelan	we can hang out though
SMStoffa	have any of you heard of the "Infertility Cure" by Dr. Radine Lewis?
geri	that's odd - the rest of us are on
estelle61	No. What is the cure?
moesbaby	Awesome book
jneencruz	i would love to know the cure
Corey_Whelan	Randine gave a chat about a month ago. You can look up her transcript if you like
jneencruz	great
moesbaby	She uses Traditional Chinese medicine
SMStoffa	It's all about getting back to good health using yoga, healthy eating and chinese acupuncture
jneencruz	i was thinking about trying it but i don't know anyone who has done it and am leary about it
SMStoffa	It's geared towards older ladies like us with high FSH. It gives me some hope.
estelle61	I am nervous about acupuncture
Corey_Whelan	You can also check out the yoga for fertility tape that Brenda Strong moderates
twingirls	I used accupuncture with my last IVF cycle ::sad
jneencruz	was it bad?
estelle61	Did it help?
jneencruz	i figure if i can poke myself a couple of times a day, accupuncture can't be all that bad
twingirls	It really was painless but it was another one of those things that gave me high hopes only to let me down when I got the results
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SMStoffa	Acupuncture does not hurt. It has made my cycles come back very regularly.
jneencruz	and it can be expensive
Corey_Whelan	twingirls, do you have twin girls?
jneencruz	i have been lucky and my insurance has covered almost everything
mary	I wish had done accupunture during my cycles. If nothing else, it helps relax your body
irene	Iam SO SORRY twin girls
twingirls	yeah, thta was part of the issue too -it was pricey!
twingirls	No, I would just love twin girls, Corey! One can dream.....
Corey_Whelan	got it.
Corey_Whelan	I believe in the power of dreams.
estelle61	Does anyone do visualizations?
jneencruz	estelle61: have you gone to the clinic in nj
Stacie	Has anyone considered the use of donor eggs?
SMStoffa	positive thinking (like the Secret) and prayers cannot hurt
Corey_Whelan	I remember my whole life whenever my mom or I cracked open an egg and got a double yolk, we would call each other up
irene	what is that
estelle61	Not yet. I start next month.
moesbaby	Has anyone here used Fertility blend? If so did you notice any changes?
twingirls	You know, they say if you stop wanting so much, thats when things actually happen - but its SO hard when it comes to all of this stuff.
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jneencruz	hey we might run into each other there, i am probably going to try to go next month
estelle61	I haven't met the docs there yet,since I have doc in NY at RMA of NY. But since I work close to monitoring in NJ, its easier for me to do it that way.
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Corey_Whelan	A therapist who did a chat recently said that women are often defensively pessimistic, we shield ourselves from wanting too much by being negative
estelle61	Is fertility blend an herb?
jneencruz	how do you stop wanting? let me know b/c that is all i can think about and everyone around me is turning up pregnant
mary	twingirls, don't give up on your dream. It's in your heart for a reason.
JADE0199	I am trying acupuncture for the first time for my next cycle.
Corey_Whelan	why should y ou stop wanting? I don't think that lying to yourself is the key to conception!
luna	has amyone tried acupuncture for recurrent miscarriages?
twingirls	Believe me, I am with ya J - it is ALL consuming.
twingirls	I dpjmj
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geri	Would anyone try donor eggs or do you know someone who has successfully?
Corey_Whelan	You want a baby, and it's hard that it's not happening and it sucks. But you still want it and you have to figure out what to do with that
estelle61	My friend did accupuncture and an IUI and got pregnant and delivered a boy three months ago. She is 37
Corey_Whelan	Geri, donor egg is often very successful.
SMStoffa	What is IUI?
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moesbaby	It's Vitex (herb), vitamin B's, and some minerals
Corey_Whelan	SMS - Intrauterine Insemination
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geri	Corey, is there a specific place to go to - I'm new to this
SMStoffa	thanks
jneencruz	i have considered donor but haven't investigated it further, i guess i am not sure how i feel about it
frances1	I thought that we were going to get some advice from the dr regarding how to increase our odds of ivf...?
twingirls	oops -I don't think you should stop wanting, but sometimes if you are more accepting, I think its possible that 'good things" can happen. I just haven't gotten there yet.....You know, you hear lots of women decide to adopt and then get pregnant!
JADE0199	I'm lucky, my insurance covers some of it, discounted rate
JADE0199	I'm doing everything I can to help my next IVF cycle (#2). We are using donor eggs though. Anyoone else going donor?
JADE0199	Tired of all the disappointments and losses.
JADE0199	Stacie - I am using donor eggs for my next IVF CYCLE in Sept.
JADE0199	I know what you mean jneen
JADE0199	I don't know anyone personally that used donor but I read alot of chat groups that there is alot of success out there.
estelle61	Intra uterine insemination. When sperm is inserted manually into you by a doc.
JADE0199	Donor success rate is over 50% at most clinics.
Corey_Whelan	for donor egg? Tons of places. You should email Lisa V at my office and she will give you a gazillion referrals - lisav@theafa.org
estelle61	What insurance covers this. We have blue cross, and it is not covering infertility treatments.
geri	thanks very much
JADE0199	Thanks Corey. We have already chosen a donor and our cycle is scheduled for Sept.
JADE0199	Provided all the tests come out okay.
Corey_Whelan	Estelle, that's a tough one. It counts on the state that you are in, your company, etc. Donor is rarely, I mean very rarely, covered
estelle61	What about IVF.
Corey_Whelan	Good luck Jade. Good luck to all of you
mary	Jade . . how do you go about chosing a donor?
twingirls	I was just going to say, it can get very expensive.
jneencruz	i have horizon blue cross blue shield and they are covering almost everything
JADE0199	ours is not covered. my last IVF was covered but only one cycle. we are paying out of pocket for the cycle but the testing and meds are covered.
jneencruz	i don't know if they cover donor
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estelle61	My husband's company specifically requested blue cross not cover infertility treatments. Doesn't that suck?
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JADE0199	you can find a donor thru your clinic or go thru an agency. your dr can refer you agencies they like to work with, thats what mine did
jneencruz	wow, it stinks, you can't get pregnant and then you are willing to try everything and it will cost you everything you have and more
estelle61	Caremark covers most of the meds.
twingirls	yeah, it really is unfair
lucia	Hi again did the doc every come back
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mary	do they try to match looks ?
jneencruz	no the doctor is not in
JADE0199	Its costing us about $28K for a donor cycle but we are not sharing any of her eggs. hopefully we have frozens for future cycle(s)
jneencruz	we are just chatting
lucia	thanks
lucia	oh ok
estelle61	It was recommended to me that we freeze embryos, so that avoids another egg retrieval, so we agreed to do that as well.
jneencruz	well if it is that much i am not going to be able to afford that. we have been socking away money for adoption
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estelle61	I know someone who tried to get pregnant and adopted,and then got pregnant naturally, so there is something to be said for just relaxing.
geri	Looked into international adoption with china and the wait is now 2, 2.5 years
jneencruz	it seems to take forever though, we are not rockefellers, we just want a baby so our 9 year old can have a sibling
twingirls	you guys sound like you have plans at least ! I haven't thought about anything beyond IVF
frances1	I have to use a gestational carrier and tried IVF with own eggs with no luck. A donor would add a lot of expense. How do we know that the donor profile is accurate?
Corey_Whelan	Geri, there are countries with a much shorter wait time
geri	which ones?
estelle61	Do any of you belong to support groups? I find that is the thing that I'm craving most?
jneencruz	we are set on guatamala, which ranges $25-35,000 and the wait is less, plus my husband is hispanic
Corey_Whelan	If you need agency referrals too, you can get that through us.
twingirls	And we can' t use meds Estelle -LOL
ujfdkmyl	corey do you know anything about adoption in Thailand
twingirls	I am with you on the support group thing!!
Corey_Whelan	jneencruz, if you want Guatemala you'd better hurry, I don't think they will stay open forever
geri	I heard china was the best to go through - I hear there are issues with other counrtires
twingirls	Didn't China just change their rules? Age and Weight restrictions?
SMStoffa	I heard that Guatemala was stopping US adoptions for a while. Is this true?
mary	Has anyone looked into adopting in the US? is it harder?
geri	yes, they did change some rules with weight , age I am not sure
Corey_Whelan	All of you who are interested in adoption, go back and read the transcript from Sam Pitkowsky's chat. And yes, China did change the rules and yes, Guatemala is having issues because they are not following the Hague Compact
Corey_Whelan	US adoption is NOT harder, it is different. Not harder
jneencruz	the issues are alwasy going on, it goes from one country to another. they closed guat. a while back and then reopened it. i thought about the US but am afraid the mother will come back for her child and I can't do that to my daughter, never mind to myself or my husband
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estelle61	Tomorrow night is a chat support group for "older" women. However, I don't feel old, I just try to think of it that my eggs have been "resting up" for a while.
Corey_Whelan	ok, now listen up.
geri	I agree - lots of horror stories with the us
Corey_Whelan	Jneencruz, do I have your attention? This is Important
Corey_Whelan	How many planes take off every day? 30,000? And how many crash?
Corey_Whelan	Do the 30,000 planes make the news? No
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Corey_Whelan	That is the way it is with adoption. There are approx. 35,000 adoptions annually. You know how many get contested? Around 12
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Corey_Whelan	I promise. That scenario does not happen often
JADE0199	so that's good about adoption, right?
mary	I too am afraid the child's mother would change her mind. That would be most painful for me.
twingirls	Thanks for putting it into perspective Corey- it is scary to think about.
JADE0199	I agree
Corey_Whelan	Birth moms change their minds often in the hospital, absolutely. But once the adoption goes through, they rarely do and you know why? Because they love their babies and want the best for them.
jneencruz	i just feel with the out of country adoption it is less likely and the wait is shorter, once you are ready, with guat. anyway
frances1	So, you are saying that us adoption is a good option. i would love it as you can get an infant right from the hospital. Do you recommend open or closed adoption.
Corey_Whelan	yup, it's scary, just like everything else about parenthood!!!
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Corey_Whelan	open or closed Frances, is a personal choice
twingirls	The thought of possibly having to go through all of that after all of this heartache -ugh!
jneencruz	i appreciate you putting it like that, it is something to think about
Corey_Whelan	yup, heartache sucks big time
geri	I didn'tt think they did closed adoption anymore
Corey_Whelan	Geri, it is still done but much rarer than it was
twingirls	LOL -I hear the Brooklyn accent ::tongue
frances1	Maybe it's not closed, but I think it's called private...?
geri	Does anyone have contacts for that?
Corey_Whelan	Good listener!
Corey_Whelan	private adoption refers to an adoption with an attorney, not an agency, that's all. Not open or closed
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frances1	I see. Thank you.
Corey_Whelan	We do, at the AFA. We can give you all the contacts that you need.
jneencruz	thank you ladies. it was nice to talk with people who understand what i am feeling. i will keep all of you in my thoughts and prayers and i wish you success and lots and lots of babies!!!
twingirls	Maybe I am just too sappy for all of this - sometimes I wish I were a bit tougher, no doubt about it! I sometimes think there is gonna be a day when I totally run out of tears!
geri	thanks
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twingirls	Thanks Jneen - good luck to you too!!
estelle61	Best of luck to you in NJ. I'll keep a good thought for you.
jneencruz	no, when you stop crying and become numb that is when you shoudl worry
shaymer01	Corey, will this topic/speaker be rescheduled?
jneencruz	bye
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frances1	It's scary because more thought has to be put into this than just getting pregnant. Sometimes our minds just take over and we think to much. I guess I should have more trust in the outcome not fear
Corey_Whelan	no, don't get tougher. You're terrific as is. You ALL are. And I have to say good night - and I will be thinking of all of you and I hope SO MUCH HAPPINESS comes to you all. I mean it so much.
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Corey_Whelan	much love till next week, guys. Sweet dreams and please take care of yourselves
geri	thanks everyone - I really enjoyed this discussion
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twingirls	It was nice chatting with all of you
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SMStoffa	thanks for all of the info.
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mary	twingirls . . I'll remember you in my prayers. my sister has twins, I want twins, my husband wants twins . . . my last ivf transfer there were 4 fem embryos. it's been painful so you are not alone.
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JADE0199	good luck everyone. may all your dreams come true
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mary	may God bless you ladies . . . one day at a time
luna	anyone here tried PGD?
twingirls	Awww....thanks Mary ! I figure its going to have to be a one shot deal since I am getting too old. Twins would be PERFECT
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mary	i did, 3 cycles
luna	any success?
mary	you're not too old, remove those thoughts, the brain is powerful!
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twingirls	You're right but my doc keeps telling me he is sure the reason why we are not having success is because of "embryo quality" so its hard not to think about being old. ::sad
mary	no pregancy, i had 2 abnormal eggs out of the 3cycles. they tell me my problem is lack of protein development in my uterus
luna	how did they diagnose the protein deficiency?
mary	my doc just explained "embryo quality" . . . the right protocol/medication can help develop good quality eggs . . . the wrong meds can affect all your eggs
luna	I have had four miscarriages and now my doc is recommending PGD but I am not sure I will want to ry
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twingirls	hmmm...thats what I wanted to ask the doc. We did the same protocol twice and this time he switched it up. My fingers are crossed. I just cannot accept that its "too late" for me. But, I have to say, the funds are dwindling.
mary	scrape of my uterus, very painful. research done out of Yale. now my doc thinks adding lutein to a protocol could achieve positive results . . .??
luna	thanks for the info...I thought luteinw as for eye health
mary	funds . . i know what you mean. we've had to pay 3 ivf attempts. insurance didn't cover but one.
twingirls	Yikes, where do you live Mary?
mary	atlanta
luna	does anyone know if you can purchase suplemental insurance to cover ivf?
twingirls	This is my last try - anymore and its out of pocket. I really need to decide when to quit but I hate entertaining that thought as well.
luna	I have aetna and they will not cover ivf, so I know they won't cover PGD
mary	twingirls . . consider accupunture
twingirls	I tried it with my last cycle ::sad
twingirls	I don't think I could afford to do it again - it was around $500
luna	I hate that it all comes down to money
twingirls	Yeah, its so wrong. Its not like I am having cosmetic surgery!
luna	Our savings have dwindled through this process and now we are considering adoption with what is left of our funds
mary	maybe try to find another that will reduce treatment costs.
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twingirls	There are just too many things to think/worry about- we could drive ourselves crazy.
luna	It is hard to keep ones sanity sometimes, especially when everyone around you is pregnant or having babies
mary	what is your email . . . if you'd like I'll ask my accupuncturist if he has a contact in your city. he's very good and inexpensive, he teaches at one the schools in atlanta
twingirls	I know -thats the worst. I just can't be happy for them anymore and thats sad
luna	My sis is pregnant with baby #2 and so is my best friend
luna	the worst is that I just lost twins with my last miscarriage and I have been avoiding my pregnant freinds for over month now
twingirls	I feel for you, believe me. I really haven't opened up about this whole struggle to too many people so that makes it tough as well.
mary	the worst for me is no one in my family knows what i've gone through . . .they keep asking why im not pregant!
luna	It's hard to because sometimes people say the most insensitive things
twingirls	Well ladies, I have to go - I have a dr's appt @ 7 am tomorrow -fun fun!
twingirls	It was nice talking to you!!! Maybe we'll run into each other again!
luna	have a good night twingirls we are all rooting for you
twingirls	Good luck to both of you girls, Mary and Luna!
mary	good luck to al l of you::smile
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luna	mary--how long have you been trying?
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mary	i've rested for one year. 4 attempts in approx. 1yr 1/2
luna	I deal with many of the same. Lots of family members asking so when are you having a baby? I alsways had a good excuse, "when I finsih my master's or when we buy a house" well all that is accomplished and I have run out of excuses
mary	my 1st attempt was a total trial. i've come to the conclusion docs are like mechanics, it's just more costly
luna	my immediate family know of my miscarriages but it is not something I share with many. I feel like a failure as a woman sometimes, defective some how
luna	I had to switch my RE because the first one had little if any compassion
mary	ugh, don't. you're not defective, you just haven't found what works with your body.
luna	thanks for the sentiment and I know you understand.
luna	You are very courageous
mary	i just feel God put this dream in our hearts for a reason. now we have to be patient and let it happen . . . some days i just don't know how so i allow myselft to cry and then move on
luna	that is a very healthy attitude. I have cried any tears and have even questioned my faith but it is an emotional roller coaster
mary	he made us very strong, i've learned i have to relinquish. i too have questioned God MANY times, but that's not the way. be still and know that i am God .. . . that's what I keep telling myselft. I'll keep you in prayer.
luna	I'm going to go but thanks for your positive words. Best of luck to you. ::biggrin
mary	have a good evening.
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