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February 12, 2008 - Tuesday
12:32 PM to (EST)
Guest Speakers: Corey Whelan

Categories
Adoption • Complementary Medicine • Donor Egg • Fertility • Fertility Drugs • Insurance • International Adoption • IVF • PCOS • Pregnancy Loss


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[Tue Feb 12 13:49:33 PST 2008] ny_aprilI think this is where I can ask questions tonight, but I've never done this before. In any case, my husband and I are trying our second IVF transfer (frozen this time) in a little over a week. We have 12 frozen day-5 blasts. Our current doctors always use AZH with frozen (and also used it with our fresh). I was pregnant the first time, but lost it around the time we should have seen a heartbeat on ultrasound. I also had a lot of fluid cysts in the endometrium during the last week. The doctor we got a second opinion from says we used a lot more estrogen than he would (I had 6mg estradiol vaginally, plus .2 mg estradiol injections. My endometrium was at 2 sonometers at transfer, and this other doctor prefers .8 sonometers at transfer. Last week I was at .8 sonometers, and they want me to increase my estrogen from 1mg estrace/day to 4mg. I'm concerned that will be too much endometrium.
[Tue Feb 12 13:52:27 PST 2008] ny_aprilBy the way, the estradiol injections were weekly, not daily. We also need to decide whether we'll allow them to do AZH, and whether we'll thaw 3 embryos or just 2. (They're from donor eggs-I had ovarian cancer when I was 19). Our "second opinion" doctor said he never uses AZH with blastocysts, because there's too much risk of damaging the embryo when it's that developed. I guess we're just looking for a third opinion. Thank you! April in New York.
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[Tue Feb 12 16:59:07 PST 2008] tenayagirlhi corey-i was able to log on!
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[Tue Feb 12 16:59:55 PST 2008] tenayagirlthis time when icoonected there was an orange java icon-i clicked and here i am-yay! thanks 4 your help
[Tue Feb 12 17:00:19 PST 2008] tenayagirl ::smile
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[Tue Feb 12 17:01:18 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanhi guys! Tenayagirl, that's GREAT.
[Tue Feb 12 17:01:44 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanhi everybody. Tonight's just a night to share our stories and support each other. How is everybody?
[Tue Feb 12 17:02:06 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanI'd love to hear where you are all at in your treatment, or, what options you're looking at
[Tue Feb 12 17:02:15 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanHey chris
[Tue Feb 12 17:02:21 PST 2008] christalpHello everyone..
[Tue Feb 12 17:02:31 PST 2008] christalpHey Corey.
[Tue Feb 12 17:02:38 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanhow's life?
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[Tue Feb 12 17:02:52 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanHey hoping, how are you?
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[Tue Feb 12 17:03:26 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanHi Karen.
[Tue Feb 12 17:03:35 PST 2008] christalpI am gearing up to start another fresh cycle. Sometimes I think I am ready. Other times I don't feel so sure.
[Tue Feb 12 17:03:51 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanWho's your doc?
[Tue Feb 12 17:03:58 PST 2008] KarenHello how are you
[Tue Feb 12 17:04:24 PST 2008] christalpI am in NC. Dr. Richard Wing. He is one of the best if not the best in NC
[Tue Feb 12 17:04:30 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanHi Karen. Happy to be home. I was in SF yesterday.
[Tue Feb 12 17:04:42 PST 2008] hopingHi all. I am starting a fresh cycle ivf this week so i can relate!
[Tue Feb 12 17:04:49 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanYou know our helpline coordinator, Lisa, lives in NC. I'll have to ask her about him.
[Tue Feb 12 17:04:59 PST 2008] LunaI just had another IUI cycle and will be able to test on Monday to see if it worked
[Tue Feb 12 17:05:03 PST 2008] christalpPlease do. I didn't know that.
[Tue Feb 12 17:05:26 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanGood luck Luna. I hope you get the result you're hoping for.
[Tue Feb 12 17:05:41 PST 2008] LunaThank you.
[Tue Feb 12 17:05:57 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanHow many IUI's have you done?
[Tue Feb 12 17:06:00 PST 2008] hopingwasn't the SF event this weekend? How was it?
[Tue Feb 12 17:06:13 PST 2008] LunaThe hormones have made me so moody.
[Tue Feb 12 17:06:18 PST 2008] tenayagirlchris, i feel as u do- i am beginning a FET cycle and i vary from feeling ready to definitely not ready, but the show must go on!
[Tue Feb 12 17:06:19 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanIt was amazing. People were blown away by the quality of the speakers.
[Tue Feb 12 17:06:27 PST 2008] LunaI have had one before which was successful but ended in a m/c
[Tue Feb 12 17:06:39 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanLuna, the hormones made me INSANE. I had one mis too.
[Tue Feb 12 17:07:14 PST 2008] christalpTenaya I agree. I don't know if enough will ever be enough
[Tue Feb 12 17:07:15 PST 2008] LunaI've had three m/c and our insurance won't cover IVF so we are really hoping for the best
[Tue Feb 12 17:07:43 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanDo you know why you miscarry? Has your doctor addressed that?
[Tue Feb 12 17:07:53 PST 2008] christalpLuna I wish you the best.
[Tue Feb 12 17:08:29 PST 2008] LunaThat seems to be a mystery so far. They found I was hetero for MTHFR and I have stage 4 endo which I had a lap for in 9/06
[Tue Feb 12 17:08:32 PST 2008] KarenI am going to say good luck and good night to all I have moved on to the adoption scene. Still like to join the chats to see what is happening
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[Tue Feb 12 17:08:37 PST 2008] LunaThank you Chris
[Tue Feb 12 17:08:41 PST 2008] tenayagirlthat is 1 big question on my mind tonite--how do i handle knowing that for us, this will be our last chance at ivf. i feel so much pressure to be "perfectly ready", and yet perfection is impossible, yet i still struggle w/ the decision "am i ready enough"?
[Tue Feb 12 17:08:45 PST 2008] hopingCorey, i wonder if you or others can help in making a case for more coverage of employer owned insurance? Also in a state that has laws that shoudl help with insurance
[Tue Feb 12 17:09:06 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanendo and miscarriage do often go together, unfortunately. IVF was originally "invented" for endo patients
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[Tue Feb 12 17:09:34 PST 2008] hopingHey Karen--we are adopting, too. domestic or international for you?
[Tue Feb 12 17:09:44 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanInsurance advocacy is something that we do try to do, state by state. It is very difficult. We had an impact in NJ, but other than that, it has been an uphill climb
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[Tue Feb 12 17:10:12 PST 2008] LunaI live in NJ but my insurance cover won';t cover IVF, is that legal?
[Tue Feb 12 17:10:33 PST 2008] Karenlooking into domestic I am 42 and did 2 rounds of ivf and artificial
[Tue Feb 12 17:10:37 PST 2008] Corey_Whelantenay, how old are you?
[Tue Feb 12 17:10:42 PST 2008] LunaKaren, my husband and I just started our homestudy also so that we can have our options open
[Tue Feb 12 17:10:43 PST 2008] tenayagirl45
[Tue Feb 12 17:10:58 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanok. Are you doing IVF with your own eggs?
[Tue Feb 12 17:11:11 PST 2008] tenayagirlwith an incredible gift of donated embryos
[Tue Feb 12 17:11:24 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanthat sure is.
[Tue Feb 12 17:11:30 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanI hope it works for you kiddo
[Tue Feb 12 17:11:40 PST 2008] tenayagirlwe had done 3 ivfs -the last 1 2 years ago w/ own our genetics
[Tue Feb 12 17:11:43 PST 2008] LunaBest wishes to you tenay...sending much positive energy your way
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[Tue Feb 12 17:12:13 PST 2008] tallgoldiCorey - what is your opinion of shared risk programs?
[Tue Feb 12 17:12:18 PST 2008] Corey_Whelantenay, so this will be your first cycle with the donated embies? and welcome GIgi. Hi!
[Tue Feb 12 17:12:19 PST 2008] tallgoldior anyone else's for that matter
[Tue Feb 12 17:12:29 PST 2008] GigiHey all
[Tue Feb 12 17:12:32 PST 2008] tenayagirlthe transfers did not take. doc said it could be age of our eggs or...my body not accepting the embryos b/c of immune issues or ?
[Tue Feb 12 17:12:36 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanI think the shared risk programs can be great, Shady Grove in particular has a terrific reputation
[Tue Feb 12 17:12:55 PST 2008] christalptenaya i don't think you can ever be perfectly ready for IVF. I wish you the best
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[Tue Feb 12 17:13:03 PST 2008] tenayagirlso now we have this 1-time gift of embryos...and we are praying, praying praying...
[Tue Feb 12 17:13:10 PST 2008] Corey_Whelantenayagirl, the transfers were your own eggs?
[Tue Feb 12 17:13:15 PST 2008] tenayagirlyes
[Tue Feb 12 17:13:52 PST 2008] christalpwhen is your transfer tenaya?
[Tue Feb 12 17:13:53 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanno way to know for sure, but the most likely scenario is an age related one. But it can be so many things. You didn't do pgd I assume?
[Tue Feb 12 17:13:58 PST 2008] tenayagirli just struggle with the question that if it was my body and not the quality of the embryos themselves, will i be able to have success this time?
[Tue Feb 12 17:14:07 PST 2008] Gigigood luck tenayagirl
[Tue Feb 12 17:14:26 PST 2008] Karenbest of luck to all my prayers are with each and every one of you
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[Tue Feb 12 17:14:50 PST 2008] christalpthank you Karen. Good luck with the adoption.
[Tue Feb 12 17:15:00 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanSome of this can really be addressed by an RE and some of it can't. Best thing you can do is be with an RE with good stats who you trust for the right reasons, and the rest is a crap shoot - alot like parenthood in general! Hang in there love.
[Tue Feb 12 17:15:01 PST 2008] GigiI'm in the same boat as tenayagirl, except I've move on to donor eggs
[Tue Feb 12 17:15:13 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanDonor is a great option.
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[Tue Feb 12 17:15:26 PST 2008] tallgoldiWe're just going for our first consult next Thursday
[Tue Feb 12 17:15:31 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanHi Karen and jsherm. Welcome.
[Tue Feb 12 17:15:36 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanwho is your doc tall?
[Tue Feb 12 17:15:51 PST 2008] LunaCorey - where could I get more info for NJ coverage. My policy has a limit and will cover IUI but not IVF
[Tue Feb 12 17:16:08 PST 2008] LunaTall- your first consult with an RE?
[Tue Feb 12 17:16:12 PST 2008] jsherm62hello all
[Tue Feb 12 17:16:19 PST 2008] Lunahello jsherm
[Tue Feb 12 17:16:43 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanGood question. Let me see what I can find out for you and we can touch base next week. In the meantime, you should contact your local congressman's office and ask them what they know. That can actually help.
[Tue Feb 12 17:16:47 PST 2008] tallgoldiYes, first one with the RE that does IVF. We've been doing IUI with my OB
[Tue Feb 12 17:17:01 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanok.
[Tue Feb 12 17:17:14 PST 2008] LunaGood luck tall. I am still in the IUI phase
[Tue Feb 12 17:17:24 PST 2008] jsherm62anyone doing DE?
[Tue Feb 12 17:17:24 PST 2008] LunaThanks Corey
[Tue Feb 12 17:17:32 PST 2008] GigiI am
[Tue Feb 12 17:17:33 PST 2008] tallgoldiWe're going to Overland Park, KS
[Tue Feb 12 17:17:35 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanrule of thumb guys. Don't do more than five IUI's. I'd rather you do three
[Tue Feb 12 17:17:37 PST 2008] Gigiegg that is
[Tue Feb 12 17:17:45 PST 2008] tallgoldiWe did 5.
[Tue Feb 12 17:17:50 PST 2008] jsherm62Gigi Where are you cycling?
[Tue Feb 12 17:17:58 PST 2008] GigiIn NYC
[Tue Feb 12 17:18:07 PST 2008] GigiStaten Island actually
[Tue Feb 12 17:18:10 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanGigi, who is your doc?
[Tue Feb 12 17:18:16 PST 2008] GigiKNochenhauer
[Tue Feb 12 17:18:23 PST 2008] Corey_Whelangood guy
[Tue Feb 12 17:18:26 PST 2008] Gigivery
[Tue Feb 12 17:18:34 PST 2008] jsherm62not at NYU?
[Tue Feb 12 17:18:40 PST 2008] GigiNo
[Tue Feb 12 17:18:43 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanI like to know if you guys are in good hands
[Tue Feb 12 17:18:46 PST 2008] jsherm62Where?
[Tue Feb 12 17:18:49 PST 2008] tallgoldiIs the SART the best place for clinic stats, then?
[Tue Feb 12 17:18:59 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanCDC or SART
[Tue Feb 12 17:19:03 PST 2008] tallgoldiThe RE we're meeting is Celeste Brabec
[Tue Feb 12 17:19:07 PST 2008] GigiI live in SI, so I am using the local RE, smaller practice more attention
[Tue Feb 12 17:19:26 PST 2008] GigiI went to RMA in NJ, and I wasn't impressed
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[Tue Feb 12 17:19:34 PST 2008] jsherm62Corey do you know of Dr. Welden?
[Tue Feb 12 17:19:34 PST 2008] tallgoldihi red
[Tue Feb 12 17:19:38 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanI know the name but not the reputation. Hi Red
[Tue Feb 12 17:19:40 PST 2008] redhi all
[Tue Feb 12 17:19:56 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanDon't know Dr. Welden. But I don't know everyone.
[Tue Feb 12 17:20:10 PST 2008] jsherm62I'm in Florida any suggestions?
[Tue Feb 12 17:20:12 PST 2008] LunaAny feedback on Dr Zeigler in NJ
[Tue Feb 12 17:20:37 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanjsherm, yes, there are some great docs in Fla. Email me tomorrow and I'll send you some referrals. corey@theafa.org
[Tue Feb 12 17:20:52 PST 2008] Corey_Whelansay chat in the subject line
[Tue Feb 12 17:21:16 PST 2008] jsherm62great ty
[Tue Feb 12 17:21:18 PST 2008] Corey_Whelancheck Dr. Zeigler's stats against the other docs in the state.
[Tue Feb 12 17:21:28 PST 2008] hopinghow much exercise, ie: walking during a stim cycle do you recommend?
[Tue Feb 12 17:21:28 PST 2008] tenayagirlwe didn't do pg, but i had repro immune test (controversial) and they said i had too many natural killer cells, so i even did IVIG infusions, but my counts went higher, not lower! so i have that stress in my mind, but this time i will not do alll those extreme things, just try to stay healthly, be positive and trust
[Tue Feb 12 17:21:52 PST 2008] Corey_Whelansounds like you are doing everything right.
[Tue Feb 12 17:21:57 PST 2008] Corey_Whelangood luck
[Tue Feb 12 17:22:50 PST 2008] tallgoldiCorey - are there any tests that I should definitely make sure they do before we start the IVF?
[Tue Feb 12 17:23:20 PST 2008] tallgoldiWe already have a 4 year old conceived w/out art
[Tue Feb 12 17:23:37 PST 2008] Corey_Whelantall, I"m not a doctor, and I don't have complete knowledge. Do me a favor, please. post your question on our general medical message board - a doctor will answer you. If you don't get an answer within 48 hours, email me and I'll see what I can find out, ok?
[Tue Feb 12 17:23:55 PST 2008] tallgoldiok - sounds good
[Tue Feb 12 17:23:56 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanand thank goodness for your four year old!
[Tue Feb 12 17:24:06 PST 2008] tallgoldiyep! He's a blessing!
[Tue Feb 12 17:25:18 PST 2008] GigiCorey do you have any recommendations for donor agencies? Or have you ever heard of S.E.E.D.S ?
[Tue Feb 12 17:26:02 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanGigi, I do have recommendations. Don't know SEEDS but I know lots of others. email me can I'll give you a list and I will see what I can find out about SEEDS. corey@theafa.org
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[Tue Feb 12 17:26:14 PST 2008] Gigiok thanks
[Tue Feb 12 17:26:51 PST 2008] jsherm62I'm not an expert on IVF but I say get tested for anti mullarian hormone (AMH) after 2 failed cycles I found out that my ovarion reserve was really low. Thats why I turned to DE
[Tue Feb 12 17:27:33 PST 2008] tallgoldithanks jsherm
[Tue Feb 12 17:28:02 PST 2008] tenayagirlthanks so much 4 your encouragement all
[Tue Feb 12 17:28:22 PST 2008] jsherm62Tall do you ever post on ivfconnections look me up you could read about it from my log on name
[Tue Feb 12 17:28:37 PST 2008] LunaAnyone tried immune therapy for recurrent miscarriages
[Tue Feb 12 17:28:42 PST 2008] tallgoldino, I don't think I have seen that site
[Tue Feb 12 17:28:50 PST 2008] jsherm62what is seeds?
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[Tue Feb 12 17:29:00 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanhi nike
[Tue Feb 12 17:29:08 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanA donor egg agency
[Tue Feb 12 17:29:10 PST 2008] nike1297Hi.
[Tue Feb 12 17:29:11 PST 2008] GigiDonor Agency in PA that was recommended by my RE
[Tue Feb 12 17:29:27 PST 2008] jsherm62www.ivfconnections.com great site you'll even meet people cycling where you cycle
[Tue Feb 12 17:30:25 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanSounds like a great site - if you can connect with people going through the same thing that's the best. Who else can listen to the unending tale? My friends couldn't stand it.
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[Tue Feb 12 17:30:50 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanHi Helene.
[Tue Feb 12 17:30:52 PST 2008] tenayagirlcorey, do u know anyone who was successful w/ embryo donation?
[Tue Feb 12 17:31:01 PST 2008] heleneHi.
[Tue Feb 12 17:31:07 PST 2008] Corey_Whelangod yes. It is a very successful protocol
[Tue Feb 12 17:31:18 PST 2008] LunaIt's hard when most of your friends have children already and can't really relate even the ones who have been through ART
[Tue Feb 12 17:31:48 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanIt's very painful. And family often can't figure out how to help, even though they want to. It's tough on relationships
[Tue Feb 12 17:32:18 PST 2008] christalpIt is very hard on relationships
[Tue Feb 12 17:32:19 PST 2008] jsherm62is embryo donation a better success rate than de
[Tue Feb 12 17:32:26 PST 2008] LunaMost definitely, my husband has been great but it was hard after each m/c men grieve so differently
[Tue Feb 12 17:33:01 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanThey want you to be happy and can't give you what you want. And if it goes on too long, people have trouble hanging in ther with you, even if they love you. It's a lot like having a terminal illness.
[Tue Feb 12 17:33:17 PST 2008] christalpLuna, I totally agree. It took 3 attempts for my DH to figure out just a fraction of what I was feeling.
[Tue Feb 12 17:33:42 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanMen DO grieve differently. A therapist who once gave a chat said that men are defensively optimistic and women are defensively pessimistic. That rang to true for me.
[Tue Feb 12 17:34:05 PST 2008] tenayagirljsherm, i would think egg donation has higher succes rate, if u r using hubby's sperm in a fresh cycle. donor embryos r frozen'
[Tue Feb 12 17:34:23 PST 2008] tenayagirlstill, i hope...
[Tue Feb 12 17:34:31 PST 2008] Lunai agree. It's hard for them to really relate since it's not their bodies - even if they try
[Tue Feb 12 17:34:40 PST 2008] Corey_Whelandonor embies are fresh unless the donor you are working with had left over and you paid to store them
[Tue Feb 12 17:34:53 PST 2008] heleneI am finding one of the hardest parts with all of this is when close friends or family becomes pregnant. My husband and I have been trying for 2 years. We are getting ready to start IVF in March. I am very nervous and worried, but READY.
[Tue Feb 12 17:34:55 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanIt's just different. Men and women are different, usually.
[Tue Feb 12 17:35:17 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanit's ok to be worried and nervous. File that under duh! Makes sense to me.
[Tue Feb 12 17:35:26 PST 2008] heleneYEP!
[Tue Feb 12 17:35:38 PST 2008] nike1297To me it feels like everyone is getting pregnant aroud me but me. I want to catch that BUG!
[Tue Feb 12 17:35:38 PST 2008] LunaI know I have missed so many baby showers and christenings because it's too hard
[Tue Feb 12 17:35:52 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanI shielded myself from a lot of those situations too. Still not sure if that was better or worse.
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[Tue Feb 12 17:36:29 PST 2008] heleneI think I am definitely "defensively pessimistic". I am so worried it just won't work.
[Tue Feb 12 17:36:29 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanHi sdoitmann, welcome
[Tue Feb 12 17:36:31 PST 2008] Lunawell I finally went to one and had a hard time until I met another woman in a similar situation and we chatted the whole time
[Tue Feb 12 17:36:52 PST 2008] nike1297How do overcome that deep feeling of feeling like an outsider and depression setting in when you are around soooo many people with little ones and pregnant and such. I am having a hard time coping.
[Tue Feb 12 17:36:52 PST 2008] tenayagirlthere IS a definite connection between stress and fertilty, and mind/body techniques are great, but i have found 1 can also be overly focused on being "POSITIV" and get oneself into a worried state if they have the occasional negative thought--that's crazy-making!
[Tue Feb 12 17:37:04 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanoh me too. In so many areas of my life. But I'm aware of it now, and try not to do it because in a way it's lying to yourself about what you are hoping and dreaming for. Hard.
[Tue Feb 12 17:37:05 PST 2008] LunaIt's hard to be optimistic sometimes because you worry so much - especially because of previous losses
[Tue Feb 12 17:37:19 PST 2008] sdoltmannhello
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[Tue Feb 12 17:37:23 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanDoes anyone do yoga to relax?
[Tue Feb 12 17:37:29 PST 2008] christalpI have found that people are having a hard time talking to me. They tell my DH that they are pregnant so he can tell me.
[Tue Feb 12 17:37:37 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanLuna, of course.
[Tue Feb 12 17:37:45 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanoh chris, that's hard
[Tue Feb 12 17:37:59 PST 2008] heleneDo all of you feel like me, where I do NOT talk to anyone about this but a few people? There are some of my closest friends who have no idea what I'm going through (some of them are pg now anyway!). I don't know why I feel this way, but I am intensely personal about it.
[Tue Feb 12 17:38:06 PST 2008] nike1297That is very hard.
[Tue Feb 12 17:38:17 PST 2008] nike1297I DO!!!
[Tue Feb 12 17:38:24 PST 2008] ei just joined the conversation. and yes, i do yoga to relax, in fact I teach yoga!
[Tue Feb 12 17:38:30 PST 2008] tenayagirlyes, i found agreat ferility yoga dvd by brenda strong- very good
[Tue Feb 12 17:38:32 PST 2008] LunaYes but some people can be so insensitive with there comments
[Tue Feb 12 17:38:40 PST 2008] jsherm62tenay ty
[Tue Feb 12 17:38:42 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanhelene, that makes sense to me. It is very personal. Just don't HIDE. There is no shame in this. Make decisions based on what is good for you. That is honestly the only criteria.
[Tue Feb 12 17:38:43 PST 2008] tenayagirle- ru in so cal?
[Tue Feb 12 17:38:51 PST 2008] LunaI feel anger sometimes when I see pregnant women
[Tue Feb 12 17:39:00 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanBrenda gave a yoga class at our conference on Sunday. She rocks.
[Tue Feb 12 17:39:01 PST 2008] eno, i live in canada
[Tue Feb 12 17:39:03 PST 2008] nike1297My mother in law is very old fashioned and doent get it. that doesnt help any...
[Tue Feb 12 17:39:18 PST 2008] heleneMy own OBGYN told me (before I started seeing an RE), "You just need to relax and have drunk sex." I was appalled!
[Tue Feb 12 17:39:20 PST 2008] ethere is a book on yoga and fertility called "luna yoga"
[Tue Feb 12 17:39:22 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanthe mother in law factor. I am familiar with that...........
[Tue Feb 12 17:39:41 PST 2008] nike1297unreal
[Tue Feb 12 17:39:51 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanyou should report that doctor. That is awful. Bad medicine. First do no harm? Hello!!!!!
[Tue Feb 12 17:40:01 PST 2008] LunaI am sot tired of hearing "so what are you waiting for....how come no kids?"
[Tue Feb 12 17:40:20 PST 2008] christalpMe too
[Tue Feb 12 17:40:21 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanyou know what? It's ok to be mad. Better to turn it out than in.
[Tue Feb 12 17:40:42 PST 2008] heleneyes, that is the worst! I am 32years old, and several people I work with say to me, "you better get cracking if you want kids!" they have NOOOO idea...
[Tue Feb 12 17:40:43 PST 2008] jsherm62luna I agree you think I want to be 40 and just starting out maybe 41 or 42
[Tue Feb 12 17:40:47 PST 2008] LunaI'm Latina and it's a "sin" that I am failing as a woman and not giving my husband kids...it drives me nuts sometimes
[Tue Feb 12 17:41:32 PST 2008] tenayagirlwww.yoga4fertilty.com
[Tue Feb 12 17:41:34 PST 2008] nike1297I had to change my OBGYN because she just didnt care. After my first few appts, I knew I was just another number and I dont have time to spare.. 3 years of trying and nothing and she told me to relax to that it will happen in time. I think Dr's have a hard time "getting it". you know? I think unless you go through it, pp just dont know.
[Tue Feb 12 17:41:38 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanLuna, it's a big deal to us at the AFA - the Latin thing. We are looking at how to address that this year. Fact sheets, conferences with a spanish speaking track, that sort of thing. It is so important. I should give a chat for mother in laws!!!!!
[Tue Feb 12 17:41:51 PST 2008] tenayagirle, pls give us the title and author of the luna yoga book- thanks!
[Tue Feb 12 17:41:58 PST 2008] ei'm 43 and the doc is telling me that best to try with donor eggs. is this what others hear?
[Tue Feb 12 17:42:08 PST 2008] etenayagirl- thank you!
[Tue Feb 12 17:42:11 PST 2008] Gigiyes
[Tue Feb 12 17:42:15 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanOb Gyns are not for getting you pregnant, sorry to say that. Some of them are amazing. But if you are not getting the appropriate tests, get out of there.
[Tue Feb 12 17:42:33 PST 2008] Corey_Whelantenay, I have a copy. I'll send it to you. email me your address.
[Tue Feb 12 17:42:38 PST 2008] egigi was yes for me?
[Tue Feb 12 17:42:45 PST 2008] jsherm62E ask Dr. to test you AMH count?
[Tue Feb 12 17:42:55 PST 2008] heleneI have a question for all of you... Have you heard of the SCSA test for DNA fragmentation in the sperm cells? They say that can affect the outcome of IVF if the fragmentation index is high... this is a new thing to me. I'd never heard of it!
[Tue Feb 12 17:42:59 PST 2008] Gigisure was 42 here moving on to donor eggs
[Tue Feb 12 17:43:05 PST 2008] LunaI'm an MSW so if you need any help let me know Corey
[Tue Feb 12 17:43:09 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanSCSA test is a good test.
[Tue Feb 12 17:43:10 PST 2008] ejsherm- what does AMH stand for?
[Tue Feb 12 17:43:12 PST 2008] tenayagirlwow, thanks corey-i'll send it to u right now-
[Tue Feb 12 17:43:22 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanthanks Luna!!!!!! I ALWAYS need help!
[Tue Feb 12 17:43:31 PST 2008] nike1297I agree but even just the basic test of knowing if it was a thyroid issue, she was clueless. I am at a fertility clinic in Brooklyn now and They Get it! It's such a roller coaster
[Tue Feb 12 17:43:39 PST 2008] christalpHelene, my dr. just recommended that for us. My DH did it last week. No results yet
[Tue Feb 12 17:43:49 PST 2008] heleneThe DFI is supposed to be below 30%. My husband's is around 25%. Is this worrisome or is there something we can do? Do you know, Corey?
[Tue Feb 12 17:43:51 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanNike, this is important. Who are you seeing?
[Tue Feb 12 17:44:30 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanHelene, I don't know, sorry. Again, I don't have the medical backbone you need. Please post on the general medical board, same rules. If you don't get an answer within 48 hours, let me know.
[Tue Feb 12 17:44:43 PST 2008] helenethanks, will do
[Tue Feb 12 17:44:45 PST 2008] LunaWaiting for results is so hard no matter how patient you are
[Tue Feb 12 17:44:53 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanworst part.
[Tue Feb 12 17:45:06 PST 2008] christalpYES!!
[Tue Feb 12 17:45:07 PST 2008] hopingFSH of7.9 is that too high?
[Tue Feb 12 17:45:15 PST 2008] nike1297I am seeing Dr. Kofinas in Brooklyn NY. They have a private section in Methodist Hospital. They are amazing. Their site is: www.kofinasfertility.com/infertility
[Tue Feb 12 17:45:20 PST 2008] heleneLuna, what i have found is this WHOLE infertility saga is a waiting game! from the 2ww, to results, etc. its awful!
[Tue Feb 12 17:45:20 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanno. It's close to too high but you're ok
[Tue Feb 12 17:45:25 PST 2008] jsherm62anti mullerian hormone for ovarian reserve
[Tue Feb 12 17:45:48 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanok nike. If you ever feel that you want another doctor in Bklyn, please call me asap. And you might want to check his stats against others like Jessica Brown
[Tue Feb 12 17:46:06 PST 2008] heleneanother question for all of you... how important is the CD10 FSH, after doing the clomid challenge?
[Tue Feb 12 17:46:21 PST 2008] LunaHelene...I know its down right torturous at times and you try to keep positive but when you fail or suffer a loss it's a punch right in the gut
[Tue Feb 12 17:46:29 PST 2008] jsherm62my fsh was under 10 but reserve was low
[Tue Feb 12 17:46:34 PST 2008] nike1297who do you reccommend in Bklyn? I have it a wall with insurance which is putting a wrench in what we are doing.
[Tue Feb 12 17:46:41 PST 2008] heleneit is the never-ending roller coaster!
[Tue Feb 12 17:46:53 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanI know, the insurance thing is unreal. email me, ok? corey@theafa.org
[Tue Feb 12 17:46:58 PST 2008] nike1297ok
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[Tue Feb 12 17:47:29 PST 2008] sdoltmannMy previous obgyn was unreal...he told me he wouldn't help me do anything until I lost 40 lbs. i think about that "phrase" everyday and it is really bothering me
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[Tue Feb 12 17:47:39 PST 2008] ewhat about antral follicle count as indicator of ovarian reserve
[Tue Feb 12 17:47:49 PST 2008] LunaInsurance, testing and waiting...oh my who do we all keep our sanity at times
[Tue Feb 12 17:47:56 PST 2008] Corey_Whelansdoltmann, let it go. That was unkind of him
[Tue Feb 12 17:48:03 PST 2008] helenemy RE told me antral follicle count was one of the things they look at, along with FSH, to determine ovarian reserve
[Tue Feb 12 17:48:12 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanafc is one indicator only
[Tue Feb 12 17:48:18 PST 2008] Lunahow that is
[Tue Feb 12 17:48:48 PST 2008] jsherm62corey have you heard of amh?
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[Tue Feb 12 17:49:08 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanyou know what? Don't forget the simple things. No, I mean it. What helped me was funny movies. Trying to hold on to a semblance of life, not letting myself not be part of life because this part was so hard to come by
[Tue Feb 12 17:49:13 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanHi ny april
[Tue Feb 12 17:49:13 PST 2008] Lunahello ny-april
[Tue Feb 12 17:49:44 PST 2008] nike1297will certainly try
[Tue Feb 12 17:49:47 PST 2008] LunaI hear you Corey, forgive me if I am too hormonal tonight
[Tue Feb 12 17:49:48 PST 2008] heleneThat is a good piece of advice, Corey. Some days I find it hard to have any meaning in my life without kids.
[Tue Feb 12 17:49:59 PST 2008] ei have taken a break this cycle and its a relief to not have all my focus on fertility treatment.
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[Tue Feb 12 17:50:41 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanright. but there is other stuff you have the right to enjoy, even while ttc is a horrendous piece of your life. You can still enjoy a great lobster or a great book.
[Tue Feb 12 17:50:52 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanLuna, you're fine.
[Tue Feb 12 17:50:58 PST 2008] tenayagirlcorey, may i ask? what was the outcome of your fertility journey?
[Tue Feb 12 17:51:05 PST 2008] heleneAND a great glass of wine! one of the only plusses to NOT being pg!!! smile
[Tue Feb 12 17:51:06 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanIf you had known me when I was on lupron....oy!
[Tue Feb 12 17:51:22 PST 2008] nike1297I have a question... I have a major issue with ovulation, i mean major. I have never felt my right ovary ovulate and this morning I had that distinct cramping on the right side. What could that mean? I also on Monday was in agony with major pain above my belly button for about one hour. What do you think is going on?
[Tue Feb 12 17:51:40 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanI have ivf twins. Actually, they are surviving triplets. I had a second trimester miss but went on to deliver the other two, very prematurely. They will be 13 in June.
[Tue Feb 12 17:51:55 PST 2008] tenayagirlwow-incredible journey
[Tue Feb 12 17:51:59 PST 2008] heleneare you running fever? keep in mind, your appendix is on your lower right.
[Tue Feb 12 17:52:23 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanNike, that could be something or nothing. You should get a sono. It could be ovulation after a long anovulatory time, it could be gas, it could be anything.
[Tue Feb 12 17:52:31 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanyup.
[Tue Feb 12 17:52:31 PST 2008] helenewow, Corey, you are a success story to keep in mind. what was the "issue" for your infertility?
[Tue Feb 12 17:52:35 PST 2008] christalpCorey that is wonderful. You had PCOS, right?
[Tue Feb 12 17:53:03 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanyup. That is why I beat everyone over the head about diet and excercise. If I had been low carb I don't think I would have needed IVF
[Tue Feb 12 17:53:15 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanPCO can reall be controlled
[Tue Feb 12 17:53:39 PST 2008] sdoltmannhow can it be controlled?
[Tue Feb 12 17:53:39 PST 2008] nike1297I think i was yesterday when I started feeling the pain again but then it went away with mortin. I feel ok today. I just find it very weird and I havent once again gotten my P yet I am not preg. We are in the no sex stage to preserve sperm. I am so stressed out with everything my body is going through
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[Tue Feb 12 17:53:51 PST 2008] Lunagood too know. They tell me I have insulin resistance but no PCOS
[Tue Feb 12 17:53:53 PST 2008] jsherm62so low crb could help?
[Tue Feb 12 17:54:19 PST 2008] heleneanyone on the board have male factor infertility issues?
[Tue Feb 12 17:54:27 PST 2008] sdoltmannyes
[Tue Feb 12 17:54:36 PST 2008] heleneif so, what is it?
[Tue Feb 12 17:54:38 PST 2008] Corey_Whelana good place to learn about going low carb is atkinscenter.com. If you lower your carb intake, you will most likely begin to ovulate on your own. Lowering your carb intake is not the same as lowering your caloric intake. And you must exercise.
[Tue Feb 12 17:54:53 PST 2008] nike1297good to know. thanks
[Tue Feb 12 17:54:55 PST 2008] jsherm62low carb could help if I changed my diet?
[Tue Feb 12 17:55:20 PST 2008] sdoltmannhigh male hormone (not really sure of the appropriate terms)
[Tue Feb 12 17:55:30 PST 2008] jsherm62thanks i'll look into it.
[Tue Feb 12 17:55:31 PST 2008] Corey_Whelaninsulin resistance is a sister to pco. All pcoer's who are eating sugar have insulin resistance. So listen. insuline resistance triggers your hormonal system to produce more testosterone. The rest is history
[Tue Feb 12 17:55:32 PST 2008] ny_april Hi, Everyone. I'm sorry to butt in, but I have a question and we have to decide this tonight. We're starting our second cycle from donor eggs (I had ovarian cancer when I was 19) and our doctor "always" uses AZH with frozen embryos, because the embryonic wall is thicker when frozen, but another doctor we really liked (but can't use right now for insurance issues) says he NEVER uses AZH with blastocysts, because of the risk of damaging them. Does anyone know anything about this?
[Tue Feb 12 17:56:02 PST 2008] tenayagirlwhat is AZH
[Tue Feb 12 17:56:07 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanny april, that is a tough call. What state do you live in?
[Tue Feb 12 17:56:10 PST 2008] tenayagirlis that assisted hatching?
[Tue Feb 12 17:56:47 PST 2008] sdoltmannthats the word, testosterone
[Tue Feb 12 17:56:47 PST 2008] tenayagirlif they are frozen as day 3 embryos it should be ok, right?
[Tue Feb 12 17:56:47 PST 2008] ny_apriljersey, but the doctor's in ny. Yes, Assisted Zona Hatching, where they put a tiny hole in the embryo wall to help it implant. They used it with our fresh eggs too, and that didn't go well
[Tue Feb 12 17:57:05 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanhelene, I did. truly a third of infertility is male
[Tue Feb 12 17:57:09 PST 2008] ny_aprilthey're day 5 blastocysts
[Tue Feb 12 17:57:15 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanwho are the two docs?
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[Tue Feb 12 17:57:38 PST 2008] helenewhat was the "issue", Corey? We have low morphology. they will do ICSI with us
[Tue Feb 12 17:57:52 PST 2008] ny_aprilCHR (Gleicher and Barad) use it, and Bergh at RMA (New Jersey) never does
[Tue Feb 12 17:58:01 PST 2008] ny_aprilnever does with blasts, I should say
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[Tue Feb 12 17:58:38 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanok. if I had to do a toss up, I'd wind up in NJ
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[Tue Feb 12 17:59:16 PST 2008] ny_aprilyeah we really want to, but it makes more sense to make one more try in NY, but we can tell them no AZH, and I'm pretty sure that's what we're going to do. Thanks for listening, everyone
[Tue Feb 12 17:59:28 PST 2008] Corey_WhelanGuys, listen, I have to go. But yall can hang out as late as you want, ok? See you all next week. Have a WONDERFUL week, all of you. xoxoxoxoxo
[Tue Feb 12 17:59:35 PST 2008] tenayagirlty!
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[Tue Feb 12 17:59:39 PST 2008] ny_aprilthank you!
[Tue Feb 12 17:59:43 PST 2008] Corey_Whelanditto
[Tue Feb 12 17:59:45 PST 2008] helenethanks, Corey
[Tue Feb 12 17:59:53 PST 2008] hopingthanks Corey!
[Tue Feb 12 17:59:56 PST 2008] Luna thanks Corey
[Tue Feb 12 17:59:57 PST 2008] Corey_Whelananytime. If you need me, you know where to find me. Bye guys.
[Tue Feb 12 17:59:57 PST 2008] jsherm62ty so much i sent you the email
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[Tue Feb 12 18:00:07 PST 2008] nike1297THANKS SOOO MUCH!! I wish you all the best
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[Tue Feb 12 18:00:18 PST 2008] jsherm62where from all fl.
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[Tue Feb 12 18:01:03 PST 2008] christalpGoodnight everyone. I wish you all the best
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[Tue Feb 12 18:01:09 PST 2008] Lunabest to you all
[Tue Feb 12 18:01:17 PST 2008] jsherm62luna where from?
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[Tue Feb 12 18:01:35 PST 2008] LunaNJ
[Tue Feb 12 18:01:41 PST 2008] jsherm62me fl.
[Tue Feb 12 18:01:58 PST 2008] Lunaany success yet?
[Tue Feb 12 18:02:01 PST 2008] jsherm62no
[Tue Feb 12 18:02:11 PST 2008] Luname neither
[Tue Feb 12 18:02:14 PST 2008] Lunait sucks
[Tue Feb 12 18:02:26 PST 2008] jsherm62fustrating
[Tue Feb 12 18:02:48 PST 2008] LunaI test on Monday to find out if this IUI worked
[Tue Feb 12 18:03:10 PST 2008] jsherm62I just don't understand I got preg 6 yrs ago etopic wasn't trying now nothing
[Tue Feb 12 18:03:11 PST 2008] ny_aprilhard to wait this long and still not know if there's a chance. Luna, I'll be thinking good thoughts for you
[Tue Feb 12 18:03:27 PST 2008] Lunathanks NY
[Tue Feb 12 18:03:42 PST 2008] jsherm62LUNA best of luck on your BFP
[Tue Feb 12 18:04:13 PST 2008] Lunathe waiting is so hard and even a positive test will bring more worry. I've had 3 m/c last one was twins at 10 weeks
[Tue Feb 12 18:04:44 PST 2008] LunaI am trying to stay positive
[Tue Feb 12 18:04:49 PST 2008] frances1Stay positive. I am much older than anyone on this panel and my doctors all basically thought I was crazy to try IVF. I tried three times and the third attempt has given me three embryos. They had to be frozen thought, because I need a gestational carrier. I have had many years of problems with my uterus - adenomyosis, endo, fibroids, miscarriages, etc.. But this is proof there is hope. I don't know what the outcome is. Be positive though, it helps the journey and makes it a little bit easier.
[Tue Feb 12 18:05:28 PST 2008] ny_aprilI'm actually in NJ now too. When I miscarried the first time, the first thinf I thought of was how hard it was going to be to go through all those weeks of tests and ultrasounds. I hear what you're saying, and tyr to stay positive, but I know how hard it is.
[Tue Feb 12 18:05:44 PST 2008] jsherm62are you lunatoo ivf connections?
[Tue Feb 12 18:06:03 PST 2008] Lunathanks frances, that helps I have similar issues, endo, fibroids, MTHFR, insulin resistance, Luteal phase problems and on and on
[Tue Feb 12 18:06:03 PST 2008] ny_aprilI mean I try to stay positive, not saying you should smile
[Tue Feb 12 18:06:33 PST 2008] Lunano but I will go to that site after tonight
[Tue Feb 12 18:07:05 PST 2008] jsherm62great site I'm jsherm62 there too
[Tue Feb 12 18:07:10 PST 2008] Lunathanks all
[Tue Feb 12 18:07:25 PST 2008] Lunaso nice to chat with women who get it
[Tue Feb 12 18:07:35 PST 2008] jsherm62grat talking
[Tue Feb 12 18:07:38 PST 2008] ny_aprilYes it is. thanks again, ladies. best wishes and good thoughts to you Luna
[Tue Feb 12 18:07:39 PST 2008] jsherm62great
[Tue Feb 12 18:07:52 PST 2008] Lunagood luck to you too ny
[Tue Feb 12 18:07:57 PST 2008] Lunato all of you
[Tue Feb 12 18:07:58 PST 2008] ny_aprilthanks smile
[Tue Feb 12 18:07:58 PST 2008] jsherm62look me up if you need help there
[Tue Feb 12 18:08:13 PST 2008] frances1There is a great group in FL at USF IVF...
[Tue Feb 12 18:08:19 PST 2008] LunaI will
[Tue Feb 12 18:08:41 PST 2008] jsherm62USF in Miami?
[Tue Feb 12 18:08:47 PST 2008] frances1in Tampa
[Tue Feb 12 18:08:57 PST 2008] jsherm62ok
[Tue Feb 12 18:09:46 PST 2008] frances1look up their website. Most of the group is from up North.
[Tue Feb 12 18:10:38 PST 2008] jsherm62i don't think they do de
[Tue Feb 12 18:10:52 PST 2008] jsherm62in miami they don't
[Tue Feb 12 18:10:56 PST 2008] Lunagoodnight ladies, you're the best, thanks for all your support, it really means so much. You will all be in my prayers.
[Tue Feb 12 18:11:06 PST 2008] frances1They do do donor egg.
[Tue Feb 12 18:12:14 PST 2008] jsherm62really i'll check it out i'm in miami
[Tue Feb 12 18:12:35 PST 2008] ny_aprilyou too-goodnight, everyone!
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[Tue Feb 12 18:12:46 PST 2008] frances1It is a small group and they are all so nice. Good luck.
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[Tue Feb 12 18:13:09 PST 2008] jsherm62ty
[Tue Feb 12 18:14:24 PST 2008] frances1The embryologist is really, really good and that is so important
[Tue Feb 12 18:14:46 PST 2008] jsherm62frances where are you?
[Tue Feb 12 18:15:03 PST 2008] frances1Jupiter
[Tue Feb 12 18:15:15 PST 2008] jsherm62where are you cycling?
[Tue Feb 12 18:16:17 PST 2008] frances1I did early testing in this area (blood work and ultrasounds) and then moved on to Tampa.
[Tue Feb 12 18:16:52 PST 2008] jsherm62dr. plosker?
[Tue Feb 12 18:17:09 PST 2008] frances1Yes.
[Tue Feb 12 18:17:15 PST 2008] frances1His goup.
[Tue Feb 12 18:17:21 PST 2008] frances1group I mean
[Tue Feb 12 18:17:22 PST 2008] jsherm62are you doing de
[Tue Feb 12 18:17:30 PST 2008] frances1No.
[Tue Feb 12 18:17:50 PST 2008] jsherm62i'll check them out ty
[Tue Feb 12 18:17:56 PST 2008] frances1Have you heard good things about them.
[Tue Feb 12 18:19:16 PST 2008] jsherm62hadn't heard anything on site now
[Tue Feb 12 18:19:30 PST 2008] frances1Good luck
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[Tue Feb 12 19:04:21 PST 2008] yawilson4267hello
[Tue Feb 12 19:05:09 PST 2008] yawilson4267Is the session still in progress
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