Just Us-Come Chat, Ask, Complain, Giggle and Share

May 26, 2005 - Thursday
2:03 PM to 3:03 PM (EST)
Guest Speakers: Lisa Rosenthal, M.A., Educational Coordinator, The American Fertility Association

Categories
Donor Egg • Fertility • Insurance • IUI • IVF • Third Party Reproduction

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Lisa_Rosenthal	Hi TLeeR1, thanks for joining us this evening!
TLeeR1	Hello! Hope I'm in the right place?? LOL
Lisa_Rosenthal	If you are looking for The American Fertility Association online educational session, you are in the right place. Now that is a mouthful....
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TLeeR1	Ok, good, I'm in the right place! I have not joined in one of these yet, but received the email today and thought I would try,
Lisa_Rosenthal	nyiap, good to see you again.
nyiap	thanks..I just found out yesterday I am pregnant...3rd IVF
Lisa_Rosenthal	TL, tonight's session is a little unusual, in that it is just us this evening- NO DOCTORS- so we get to just chat.
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TLeeR1	Congrats nyiap!
TLeeR1	how exciting!
Lisa_Rosenthal	nyiap, I have been following your posts on our message board, so congratulations, I'm so happy for you!
nyiap	thanks..I'm nervous though, go for my 2nd beta tomorrow
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Lisa_Rosenthal	Catherine, thanks for joining us this evening...
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Hi Everyone! I am Lori Masi the AFA's Patient Advocate! Welcome!
Lisa_Rosenthal	nyiap, hopefully, it will rise just as it's supposed too and everything will continue to go well. I'll check the boards, so please post.
nyiap	I will, and thank you, these boards have been very helpful
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Lisa_Rosenthal	I love the message boards... I hope everyone uses them...
Catherine	Lisa, Could you please introduce yourself? Do you have a degree in counseling? What family building methods are you familar with?
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Don't forget me Lisa - I'm here too!
Lisa_Rosenthal	Hi Catherine, this is peer support, not mental health counseling, we do have sessions with mental health professionals, but this is not one of them....
Lisa_Rosenthal	This is for us to just hang out, chat, compare notes, help, complain, and LAUGH a little, I hope.
Catherine	What family building methods are you familar with to compare notes?
Lisa_Rosenthal	And Lori Masi, who has introduced herself, thank goodness....
Lisa_Rosenthal	Me personally?
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Welcome All! Please call the AFA Toll Free Support/Referral Line at 888-917-3777 for information, a referral in your area or just some good ol fashioned support. Looking forward to hearing from all of you! Lori Masi – AFA Patient Advocate
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Catherine do you have a specific questions about different options?
Catherine	How do people feel about egg donors? Has anyone used one?
Lisa_Rosenthal	I have had IUI's, GIFT, IVF, FET. As educational coordinator for The AFA, I have about 15 years of experience with adoption, surrogacy, third party reproduction, same sex fertility issues. You name it, and in the last 15 years, we've talked about it
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Catherine when you ask about "people" feeling about egg donors which people are you referring to?
Lisa_Rosenthal	Egg donor is a wonderful, viable option for a certain population. There are many, many reputable egg donor agencies...
nyiap	I think if you need to use an egg donor and still can use your husbands sperm then you are lucky....I've heard the success rate is pretty high right?
Lisa_Rosenthal	nyiap, how long have you been in treatment?
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Yes, the success rate is quite high because you are taking the age related issues out of the cycle by using "young" eggs
Lisa_Rosenthal	TL, how did you hear about tonight's session?
TLeeR1	I received an email....
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nyiap	I started with my 1st IVF in November, then February, both did not result in pregnancy until now. Tried for one year on our own prior to that
Lisa_Rosenthal	TL, and where are you in treatment?
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Hi Daniel!
Daniel	Hello
Lisa_Rosenthal	Welcome Daniel, thanks for joining us this evening.
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Welcome!
TLeeR1	new to this...been fighting the fertility battle for over 5 years now, but we thought it was going to be something minor until recently,
Daniel	Why thank you Lisa - did you get my message on Monday early afternoon?
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Lisa_Rosenthal	Yes, Daniel, been a busy week. Sorry.
Jenn2004	hi everyone
nyiap	TLeeR1...are you seeking treatment?
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Welcome Jenn!
Lisa_Rosenthal	Jenn2004, thanks for joining us this evening!!
TLeeR1	I was diagnosed with PCOS, which thankfully is treatable...went through treatment for the that, rounds of clomid and nothing, finally discovered DH has low motility, and started going to fertility clinic....
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TLeeR1	did IUI
TLeeR1	nothing
TLeeR1	and DH's motility came back at 0 last month
TLeeR1	so now looking into IVF
Catherine	It is discouraging to try and then have a cycle fail.
nyiap	TleeR1...we have a severe male factor, we used IVF with ICSI and I finally got pregnant..it is not a lost cause at all
Daniel	TL I am sorry to hear that but it is good that you are now looking into IVF
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Nyiap Congratulations!
TLeeR1	Well, that's what the dr. told us this last week...she said she thinks it will be successful with IVF
Lisa_Rosenthal	Male Factor is very treatable, and Daniel can really address that issue.
nyiap	thanks Lori
TLeeR1	but now battling with how to pay for it
Daniel	Why - yes I can
Daniel	TL that is usually the hardest part
Lisa_Rosenthal	TL, are you seeing a Reproductive Endocrinologist and an Urologist who specializes in reproductive medicine?
TLeeR1	yes, we are seeing both,
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Catherine I have had some experience with patients using donor eggs, do you have some questions? Please feel free to ask and if I can't answer I will tell you.....
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Catherine	Is having an egg donor easier on the woman receiving the eggs than IVF?
Lisa_Rosenthal	Lori, can you answer that one?
Jenn2004	my dh had a sperm analysis that came back low sperm count, I believe it was 5.5 million /ml, he went to a urologist, but all he did was suggest blood work that told us dh has low testosterone. But other than that, he has not suggested us do anything other than dh quit smoking, and start taking vitamins. What other kinds of treatment are there for men?
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Yes, very much so because you will be taking a minimum amount of meds where the donor takes all the stimulation drugs!
Catherine	Where can you find an egg donor?
TLeeR1	Jenn.....My DH saw a normal Urologist who did not seem to recommend a whole lot, so our rep endo recommended seeing a urologist that particulary specializes in fertility...not all do
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Most IVF programs have a donor pool as well as some agencies that I can refer to you
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Catherine where are you located?
Catherine	Alexandria, VA
Lisa_Rosenthal	One of the things that Lori does best is Doctor referrals... Please make sure that you call her at our toll free number and she will help you~ but not right this second!!! LOL
Jenn2004	How do you know when they speicailize in fertility? Or is it just something you have to ask?
TLeeR1	My rep endo recommended one...
TLeeR1	actually recommended several,
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Ok there are IVF programs as well as independent agencies, just give me a call tomorrow for some referrals! But please feel free to continue now with your questions....
Jenn2004	Oh ok, well I have not seen a rep endo yet. My insurance doesn't cover anything to do with infertility, so we have been reluctant to go that path just yet.
TLeeR1	but is a large fertility clinic and they have some in their practice,
TLeeR1	We've been very fortunate with our insurance...there is no way we would be to this point without it...but we have a lifetime max and we've almost reached it, so from here on out, we haven't decided on the funding part
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Don’t forget to please call the AFA Toll Free Support/Referral Line at 888-917-3777 for information, a referral in your area or support. You can also e mail me at LoriattheAFA@aol.com. Looking forward to hearing from all of you!
Lisa_Rosenthal	Jenn, if there is one piece of advice that I can give you, it's to see a RE. They have the expertise that you need and will probably cut the amount of time that you need to be in treatment.
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Jenn also please try to ask if they are Board Cerified!
Jenn2004	When paying out of pocket, how extreme are the costs associated with just daily office visits with an RE?
TLeeR1	I know for our RE's first visit, her consultation fee was $275, just for a visit
Lisa_Rosenthal	Jenn, there's no reason to assume that there will be daily costs- many people do not need very advanced treatment....
TLeeR1	They have recommended us to a company that does financing for fertility treatments,
Lisa_Rosenthal	TL, the initial consult is very high... and there are ways to finance treatment.
Catherine	What company if it is ok ask?
Jenn2004	The reason I ask is my reg. ob/gyn has told me my next course for me is an hsg, but his cost is 1200. And unfortunatly at this time I can not come up with that large of a lump sum. I wanted to do the payment plan, but doing it that way ends up costing like 2000 :(
Lisa_Rosenthal	It can be a real waste of time, which is sometimes precious, depending on age, to stay too long with a ob/gyn
TLeeR1	I will look up the company for you...don't have it in front of me
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Jenn I always tell everyone that if you internist said you have a heart problem you would see a cardiologist - well same thing here - if you suspect a problem you should at least have a consult with a specialist a board certified RE!
TLeeR1	WE have made more advances with our RE this past year, than we did in 5 years with the OB/GYN
Catherine	success rates are higher for IVF and donor egg than they were 5-6 years ago. New lab etc.
Lisa_Rosenthal	TL, my point exactly. I wasted a year with an OB and frankly it was exhausting in so many ways, emotionally, physically, and I was on medication that had no chance of working for me.
Jenn2004	That definatly does give me something to think about. I always knew in the back of my mind that I should be seeing one by now, (we have not prevented for 3 yrs, and I just finally got insurance coverage in November of 2004) So needless to say, I am ready to move on from my reg. ob/gyn
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Jenn if you need a referral in your area please call me!
Jenn2004	thanks Lori, I have written down you number many times in previous chats, but could you please post it again.
Catherine	Does anyone know if there are Diplomates who are RE the highest level of MD professional?
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Sure it is 888-917-4777
Lisa_Rosenthal	I'm so glad that you all are here this evening. It's really helpful and fun to chat like this.
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	These are always my favorite sessions with us girls and of course you Dan!
Jenn2004	Lori is there a good time during the week to reach you?
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Usually mornings are busy, try after 1pm. I am here Mon, Wed, Th & Fr 9-5 EST and Tues evenings 5 -10pm
Lisa_Rosenthal	Catherine, I don't understand the question....
Jenn2004	ok great! thank you so much
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Lisa_Rosenthal	peppeer and Bonnie, welcome and thanks for joining us this evening...
Bonnie128	Hi Everyone
peppeer	hello
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Welcome Peppeer and Bonnie!
Jenn2004	Hi Bonnie
Bonnie128	Hi , ty
Jenn2004	hi peppeer
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Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Don’t forget to please call the AFA Toll Free Support/Referral Line at 888-917-3777 for information, a referral in your area or support. You can also e mail me at LoriattheAFA@aol.com. Looking forward to hearing from all of you! Lori Masi – AFA Patient Advocate
peppeer	hello jenn
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TLeeR1	Catherine: This is the company....You can find more info here: www.arcfertility.com I think you have to use a doctor that is contracted/goes through them..I haven't completely looked into it yet, so I don't know a whole lot of info
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Bonnie and peppeer please feel free to jump in and ask questions, make comments etc
Lisa_Rosenthal	There are other places for financing as well...
Bonnie128	I am part of the DOH program in NY
Bonnie128	that has really helped
peppeer	i am very curious about donor embryos, are their really over 400,000 enbryos being stored and waiting to be destroyed?
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Bonnie128	is this for medical or non medical questions?
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Bonnie what is the DOH program?
Lisa_Rosenthal	Peppeer, There may in fact be about 400,000 embryos, but it is not accurate to say that they are "waiting to be destroyed", where did you hear that term?
Bonnie128	Department of Health
Bonnie128	they supplement your income to help you pay for IVF
Lisa_Rosenthal	Bonnie, tonight's session is unusual, we do not have a physician with us as is usual.
Bonnie128	ok
Lisa_Rosenthal	It is a peer conversation.
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Lisa_Rosenthal	Hi Peachy, thanks for joining us this evening....
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Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	So you are part of the grant program is that correct?
Jenn2004	Bonnie are there special requirements before they help you?
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Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Welcome Peachy!
Jenn2004	and do they only help with IVF?
TLeeR1	using the word "grant"....do you have to pay it back?
Bonnie128	I was just wondering, possibly someone here has information, my first IVF ended in a chemical pregnancy, I am doing IVF for the 2nd time in July ... Should I have any other tests done because of the chemical pg?
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Jenn what state do you live in?
Lisa_Rosenthal	The DOH program is only in NY state, in many other states, there is limited coverage.
Bonnie128	I do not have to pay back the grant
Jenn2004	Texas
Bonnie128	it helps pay for IVF only
Bonnie128	I feel blessed to be able to be part of the grant program
Bonnie128	or I wouldnt never have a chance
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Let me look up TX but I think that you are not a mandated state!
TLeeR1	thanks, definitely worth looking into to see if my state has something similiar...in CA
Jenn2004	hmm, lucky me .
Jenn2004	lol
Lisa_Rosenthal	Bonnie, how wonderful to hear that it's being used so wisely. Who are you seeing?
Bonnie128	usually my kind of luck too Jenn lol
Bonnie128	I see Dr. Harry Leiman
Bonnie128
Lisa_Rosenthal	You are out of luck, right now in CA!!!
Bonnie128	I love him
Bonnie128	lol
TLeeR1	that figures!
Lisa_Rosenthal	Bonnie, you should!!! I love him too.
Bonnie128	at Montefiore Reproductive
Bonnie128	dont tell him I said that though
Bonnie128	hahahhaa
Lisa_Rosenthal	Please say hello to him for me, he is a good friend.
Bonnie128	Oh I sure will
Bonnie128	he's the best6
Bonnie128	best
Lisa_Rosenthal	Were you at the dine with the experts evening that we had with him a few weeks ago?
Bonnie128	yes I was
Bonnie128	were you there?
Lisa_Rosenthal	I probably saw you, I was there too!!!
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Jenn e mail me you e mail address and contact info and I will send you the insurance info on TX My email is LoriattheAFA@aol.com
Bonnie128	were you outside or at the tables?
peppeer	i had a terrible experiance with egg donor , lost all our money and it ws the worst experiance in my life- and now i am really interested in donor embryos, i guess this chat room is not for us---
Lisa_Rosenthal	Yep, me.
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Bonnie128	Were you handing out the stuff outside?
Lisa_Rosenthal	TL, where in CA are you?
TLeeR1	Northern, SF area
Lisa_Rosenthal	There are some truly wonderful programs in that area.
Bonnie128	Its a shame that they dont make it mandatory everywhere, I can't believe that infertility is not covered for all
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	peepeer what info are you looking for?
Bonnie128	its very sad
TLeeR1	We are very happy with our doctor/clinic so far
Bonnie128	I love where I go also
Lisa_Rosenthal	Bonnie, you want to hear something interesting? In MA, where there is full coverage, and it is the oldest mandated state in the country?
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Jenn did you get my e mail address?
Lisa_Rosenthal	Only %16 of couples who are having trouble conceiving seek treatment. It is clearly not only a money issue.
Jenn2004	yes, I just emailed you my info. thanks
TLeeR1	thats strange,
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Never mind I see your e mail
Bonnie128	i cant believe that.... if not for this grant here in NY ... I would never have a baby, unless a miracle happened
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	After the session I will send it to you!
Jenn2004	hmm...maybe I should look into moving to MA.
TLeeR1	LOL...yea really!
Bonnie128	Dr. Leiman just did a Lap on me 3 weeks ago and removed a polyp from my uterus
Lisa_Rosenthal	Jenn, I know that I considered it---LOL
Jenn2004	thanks Lori
Lisa_Rosenthal	Did I mention that I love Dr. Lieman?
Bonnie128	hahahaah me too
Jenn2004	yeah Lisa, it is very tempting. lol
Bonnie128	I am hoping besides having male factor, which was the only thing in the beginning, all my other tests were clear, that removing that polyp may have had something to do with me not getting pregnant too
Lisa_Rosenthal	It's important to make sure that you are with a program/doctor that you are happy and comfortable with, and that they are superbly qualified.
Bonnie128	Did I mention I love Dr. Leiman?
Bonnie128	hahahahaa
Lisa_Rosenthal	How is everyone doing with food and exercise?
Jenn2004	I definatly agree with that Lisa, I have had my share of dr's that make me feel anything but comfortable. And I just refuse to be treated like that anymore.
Bonnie128	I just started acupuncture, which I find to be so weird, still haven't gotten used to it yet
TLeeR1	On Metformin...FOOD??? not a good topic with me right now....LOL!!!
Bonnie128	lol tlee
Lisa_Rosenthal	Taking care of yourself during this is so important, it's easy to get depressed and it tends to be a downward spiral. Eating right, sleeping enough and getting moderate exercise are all ways to maximize your chances for pregnancy.
Daniel	You are making me hungry - still waiting for dinner
Lisa_Rosenthal	TL, you are very funny....
Daniel	Lisa would you recomend a 5K perhaps??
Jenn2004	I completely understand TLee, I was put on metformin because my dr thought it would help. Unfortuantly, he should have done more tests before putting me on that medication. It was not for me, for sure.
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Dan you still there - you are too quiet....
Daniel	Just lurking a bit
TLeeR1	I'm supposed to take 4 a day....only taking 1 right now, and I'm so sick I can't see straight
Daniel	Giving up the Yankee game to be here
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Ut OH!
Lisa_Rosenthal	Why yes, Daniel, running/walking a 5K (3.1 miles) is a wonderful, attainable goal. What a great idea.
Bonnie128	WOW
Bonnie128	My husband would never do that
Lisa_Rosenthal	Daniel, I always knew that there was something wrong with you!!!
Daniel	LISA does AFA sponsor any races??
Bonnie128	Lisa are you from NY?
Bonnie128	Lori?
Daniel	Bonnie I am one of a kind
Lisa_Rosenthal	Bonnie, I live and breathe in CT.
Bonnie128	you sure sound it lol
Bonnie128	oh neat Lisa!
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	I am in NY - born and raised!
Bonnie128	me too Lori
Daniel	ME TOO
Daniel	CT is a nice place to visit but.....
Bonnie128	Hope Daniel is not Dr. Leiman in disguise
Lisa_Rosenthal	Good, we have a club. The rest of us states better stick together.
Bonnie128	hahahhaha
Daniel	Bonnie I can assure you I am not a doctor - crazy yes, doctor no
Bonnie128	hahahahaah your funny Daniel
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Daniel is definitely not dr Lieman!
Bonnie128	haahha lol
Lisa_Rosenthal	Anyone having any trouble with in-laws?
Lisa_Rosenthal	insensitive friends?
TLeeR1	OHHH MAN do I EVER!!!!
Bonnie128	wow that was easy
Daniel	ALL OF THE TIME - remember what I always say - you don't get to pick your rotten in laws they just come with the package!!!
Jenn2004	When a state mandates coverage, does that mean they make insurance cover all infertility? Or just whatever coverage they decide? And what about states that are not mandated?
TLeeR1	lol
Daniel	Now now am experiencing being the parent of my parent and father in law - I swear they act worse then my children
Bonnie128	a mandate from what I have read does not cover all things all the time, like I believe some are mandated to cover diagnostic and some all the way up to IVF
Daniel	Jenn - sometime yes and sometimes now it depends on the State
Bonnie128	my insurance covers IUI's & Meds
Jenn2004	hmm...seems so unfair sometimes
Bonnie128	I am lucky but IUI wont work for us with Male Factor
Daniel	Jenn - you ain't kidding
Bonnie128	so it goes unused
Bonnie128	It sure does Jenn
Daniel	Bonnie is that because there is a motility issue or low sperm count?
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	States that are not mandated are just based on whatever your ins covers you for.If the state is mandated it depends on what they mandate as covered!
Bonnie128	only problem really is morphology
Jenn2004	I thought I had read somewhere that if an insurance company offers pre-natal they also have to offer something for inferitilty, even just dianostic, but mine offers pre-natal, but nothing infertiliity.
Daniel	Not motility but morphology?
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	That I don't know about... but again I think it depends on what the law in each state says....
Bonnie128	I did IVF last year but had a chemical pregnancy in January. I am hoping because my Dr. found the polyp on my uterus that it may have played a role in not staying pregnant
Bonnie128	motility was always in a good range
Bonnie128	not great
Bonnie128	but good
Daniel	Jenn - most ins carriers will cover some basic diagnostic tests so long as they are not coded for "infertiliity" per se
Bonnie128	Morphology ranged from 3-11%
Bonnie128	more at 3%
TLeeR1	Anyone know of causes for low motility??
Bonnie128	been at this for 5 yrs now daniel
Bonnie128	urologist etc...
Jenn2004	I think that was my problem. My dr's office said they would play around with some codes and see what they could do. About 2 days later they called me and left a message on my voice mail saying my insurance doesn't cover anything about infertility. Nice huh?
Daniel	Bonnie - everything is realative - what I would give to have what your DH has - me I am a big zero in the sperm count department
Bonnie128	so sorry to hear that Jenn
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	That is always difficult!
Bonnie128	I totally understand Daniel, sorry that you have to suffer from that :(
Bonnie128	that really stinks
Daniel	Jenn - then you have a choice stay where you are and pay out of pocket - medical deduction perhaps or change to a practice that will be more accomidating
Lisa_Rosenthal	Isn't Daniel wonderful? He is a AFA board member, and is a big help.
Daniel	Bonnie - I am well over those kind of issues
Jenn2004	I think we are looking at changing. I don't like my dr to begin with, and everytime I even call their office the first thing they ask me is "are you pregnant" Ugh...I hate that.
Bonnie128	oh awesome! he is a big help
Daniel	I was blown away when I was first diagnosed but not anymore - I know the difference between "varility" and "fertility"
Jenn2004	I tried explaining to the nurse that I found it very upsetting, but she said it was a standard question they ask everyone before you make an appointment.
Daniel	Jenn - it sounds like it is time to change
Lisa_Rosenthal	Jenn, time to MOVE ON!!!!!!!!!!
Lisa_Rosenthal	I said it first Daniel.
Jenn2004	I agree
Daniel	Yes you did
TLeeR1	because they get pregnant people in right away, and everyone else gets put on the back burner.....time to change!
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Jenn I agree!
Daniel	Also it sounds like they really did not want to bother doing the little extra work concerning the insurance issue - after all it is not their money at stake - been there done that !!!!!!!!
Daniel	Bonnie so what is your next move??
Bonnie128	1 more IVF July
Bonnie128	and then I guess thats it
Lisa_Rosenthal	A Reproductive Endocrinologist's office does not ask that question. They assume that the reason that you are calling is because you are having trouble getting pregnant. Anyone can say that they specaliaize in infertility, only a RE really does, in any medical way.
Daniel	Bonnie - well I guess we should all send you "cyber" hugs
Bonnie128	I am praying it works
Bonnie128	thanks so much Daniel
TLeeR1	our insurance told us they don't pay for "injections not done by the doctor"...so our doctor laughed and said no problem...I can just go in everyday for injections, then she'll be doing them, and they will be the price for her drs visits too, on top of the injections, if they want to be that way.....Point is...it's great to have the doctor on your side and that will help work with you and find the insurance loop holes
Bonnie128	I have faith in my RE & I feel comfortable with all the IF stuff now because I have dont it all
Bonnie128	done
Lisa_Rosenthal	We love doctors like that TL!!!
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Jenn call me and I will get you some referrals 888-917-4777!
Jenn2004	TLee that is DEFINATLY a good dr.
Jenn2004	I wish mine were more like that.
Bonnie128	wow thats wonderful TLee
Jenn2004	I definatly will Lori
Lisa_Rosenthal	Ladies and gentlemen, the session runs from 8-9 PM, if you are interested, please check the schedule as we have a session each week. If there is enough interest, we can add a JUST US session once a week as well.
Bonnie128	Nice Meeting you all!!
Bonnie128	Thanks for chatting and for all the great information!
Jenn2004	Nice meeting everyone!!!
Bonnie128	Have a great night, see you all soon hopefully
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Nice meeting all of you! Good Night!
Daniel	I remember when we were cycling in the old days, nurses would give injections for a small fee but both my wife and I belonged to a group that would volunteer to give injections to those that could not handle it
TLeeR1	night everyone!
Daniel	Good Night and Possitive thoughts going your way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bonnie128	thanks so much, same to you!!!
Lisa_Rosenthal	Good night everyone!!!
Bonnie128	nite Lisa
Lori_Masi AFA_Patient_Advocate	Good night!
Jenn2004	bye everyone
Lisa_Rosenthal	See you all next week. Good night
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